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		<title>By: ChristianSoldier</title>
		<link>http://betterbibles.com/2009/06/04/i-pledge-allegiance/#comment-14310</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 12:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Michael Nichols
&quot;I’m not entirely sure what overlaying history from a biblical perspective means. Is it comparing US history with biblical principles? Or comparing biblical history with US history? For now I don’t see how it’s ‘evidence of the undeniable guiding hand’.&quot;

First, my understanding is that this is a Christian Blog, maybe I am mistaken. If it is not, understanding predestination God&#039;s providential involvement with the fulfillment of His design regardless of our mechanations is not possible to explain. A study of John Calvin will help, but again as Paul tells us to understand God we must have the Spirit of God. 

From the beginning God has used whatever historcal events to fulfill His will. Abraham&#039;s rescue of Lot, the first known instance of the &quot;just war&quot; concept. The Patriarchs, Judges and Kings are story after story of God&#039;s intervention. Even when we try to stray and change history the outcome will always be as God wills. In Daniel even the Antichrist will try to change appointed times and Holidays, but to what avail? He is still destroyed. 

God has used Nations for his will regardless of their interpretation of His soverign will. Meaning, that he used Babylon to punish Israel and correct ther behavior. In the same sense He uses our Nation (or at least did) to punish those who attempted to harm Israel. It is no coincidence that Israel became a Nation once again in 1948! Granted we may have had other national motives but this is still God&#039;s providential leading. 

As far as our Nation is concerned, if we are watchmen on the tower as Ezekiel speaks of or Berean&#039;s as Paul challenges us to be, testing everything against the truth of His Word, then Brother we are blessed and nay continue to be used without being destroyed ourelves. But continuing on the hedonistic, destructive path we are right now, it appears the fate of Babylon will be ours as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Nichols<br />
&#8220;I’m not entirely sure what overlaying history from a biblical perspective means. Is it comparing US history with biblical principles? Or comparing biblical history with US history? For now I don’t see how it’s ‘evidence of the undeniable guiding hand’.&#8221;</p>
<p>First, my understanding is that this is a Christian Blog, maybe I am mistaken. If it is not, understanding predestination God&#8217;s providential involvement with the fulfillment of His design regardless of our mechanations is not possible to explain. A study of John Calvin will help, but again as Paul tells us to understand God we must have the Spirit of God. </p>
<p>From the beginning God has used whatever historcal events to fulfill His will. Abraham&#8217;s rescue of Lot, the first known instance of the &#8220;just war&#8221; concept. The Patriarchs, Judges and Kings are story after story of God&#8217;s intervention. Even when we try to stray and change history the outcome will always be as God wills. In Daniel even the Antichrist will try to change appointed times and Holidays, but to what avail? He is still destroyed. </p>
<p>God has used Nations for his will regardless of their interpretation of His soverign will. Meaning, that he used Babylon to punish Israel and correct ther behavior. In the same sense He uses our Nation (or at least did) to punish those who attempted to harm Israel. It is no coincidence that Israel became a Nation once again in 1948! Granted we may have had other national motives but this is still God&#8217;s providential leading. </p>
<p>As far as our Nation is concerned, if we are watchmen on the tower as Ezekiel speaks of or Berean&#8217;s as Paul challenges us to be, testing everything against the truth of His Word, then Brother we are blessed and nay continue to be used without being destroyed ourelves. But continuing on the hedonistic, destructive path we are right now, it appears the fate of Babylon will be ours as well.</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Nationalism Mt. Tirzah Baptist Church: Our Fellowship in the Gospel of Jesus Christ</title>
		<link>http://betterbibles.com/2009/06/04/i-pledge-allegiance/#comment-14239</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[&#187; Nationalism Mt. Tirzah Baptist Church: Our Fellowship in the Gospel of Jesus Christ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] totally absorbed into our national identity. Now we even have a Bible devoted exclusively to “Patriotism.” Something similar was true in America and Germany during Word War I. Churches on both sides of [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: folk notions</title>
		<link>http://betterbibles.com/2009/06/04/i-pledge-allegiance/#comment-14220</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 22:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Posted this comment by mistake in a post on the KJV...


Thomas Nelson publishes the American Patriot Bible and half of Brian McLaren’s catalog?

Huh…]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Posted this comment by mistake in a post on the KJV&#8230;</p>
<p>Thomas Nelson publishes the American Patriot Bible and half of Brian McLaren’s catalog?</p>
<p>Huh…</p>
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		<title>By: donkeytalk</title>
		<link>http://betterbibles.com/2009/06/04/i-pledge-allegiance/#comment-14219</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 22:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Theo - 

Certainly, having a sovereign who will eventually be replaced by a man such as Charles brings no comfort... At the very least, we Sydney Anglicans will no longer live in fear of people talking in tongues, and will live in fear of a man who talks to plants. At least Rowan Williams will have someone to talk to.

As a (possibly) amusing aside to English royalty being the Head of the Church, the title of Defender of the Faith was given to Henry VIII by, of all people, the Pope for the suppression of English translations of the Bible. As a descendent of such messes, I haven&#039;t inherited the right to mock anyone. But since I grew up on a diet of Steve Taylor and the Wittenburg Door...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Theo &#8211; </p>
<p>Certainly, having a sovereign who will eventually be replaced by a man such as Charles brings no comfort&#8230; At the very least, we Sydney Anglicans will no longer live in fear of people talking in tongues, and will live in fear of a man who talks to plants. At least Rowan Williams will have someone to talk to.</p>
<p>As a (possibly) amusing aside to English royalty being the Head of the Church, the title of Defender of the Faith was given to Henry VIII by, of all people, the Pope for the suppression of English translations of the Bible. As a descendent of such messes, I haven&#8217;t inherited the right to mock anyone. But since I grew up on a diet of Steve Taylor and the Wittenburg Door&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Nicholls</title>
		<link>http://betterbibles.com/2009/06/04/i-pledge-allegiance/#comment-14129</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 08:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Theophrastus:
&lt;i&gt;Just as Shakespeare managed to write entire plays and poems without smiley faces, I similarly try to leave them out of my own comments.&lt;/i&gt;

But sometimes it saves us having to write explanations of our misunderstood intent. Unless this comment, too, was satiric, in which case, you got me. ;) :) :D rofl lololol!!!!!!!11one

That was supposed to be satiric. :)

&lt;i&gt;Moral: you came from Puritan stock, we came from convicts.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;d like to add: You fought for your freedom. They were trying to get rid of us. ;) (&lt;--fellow convict)

&lt;i&gt;A Bible that allows us to overlay history from a biblical perspective provides evidence of the undeniable guiding hand that this nation once enjoyed&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m not entirely sure what overlaying history from a biblical perspective means. Is it comparing US history with biblical principles? Or comparing biblical history with US history? For now I don&#039;t see how it&#039;s &#039;evidence of the undeniable guiding hand&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Theophrastus:<br />
<i>Just as Shakespeare managed to write entire plays and poems without smiley faces, I similarly try to leave them out of my own comments.</i></p>
<p>But sometimes it saves us having to write explanations of our misunderstood intent. Unless this comment, too, was satiric, in which case, you got me. <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  rofl lololol!!!!!!!11one</p>
<p>That was supposed to be satiric. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><i>Moral: you came from Puritan stock, we came from convicts.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to add: You fought for your freedom. They were trying to get rid of us. <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  (&lt;&#8211;fellow convict)</p>
<p><i>A Bible that allows us to overlay history from a biblical perspective provides evidence of the undeniable guiding hand that this nation once enjoyed</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not entirely sure what overlaying history from a biblical perspective means. Is it comparing US history with biblical principles? Or comparing biblical history with US history? For now I don&#8217;t see how it&#8217;s &#8216;evidence of the undeniable guiding hand&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Theophrastus</title>
		<link>http://betterbibles.com/2009/06/04/i-pledge-allegiance/#comment-14124</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 05:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In response to some e-mail I have received:

All of the comments I have made to this post have been satiric (I’ll leave it to the pair-o’-docs crowd to figure out if this remark applies to this post). Just as Shakespeare managed to write entire plays and poems without smiley faces, I similarly try to leave them out of my own comments.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to some e-mail I have received:</p>
<p>All of the comments I have made to this post have been satiric (I’ll leave it to the pair-o’-docs crowd to figure out if this remark applies to this post). Just as Shakespeare managed to write entire plays and poems without smiley faces, I similarly try to leave them out of my own comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Theophrastus</title>
		<link>http://betterbibles.com/2009/06/04/i-pledge-allegiance/#comment-14117</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Theophrastus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 20:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Donkeytalk -- Don&#039;t be making fun of Americans.  I just have six words for you:

Pauline Hanson

Pauline Hanson

Pauline Hanson

Need I remind you that your monarch (who lives on a far-away island) is the head of her own Church.  Bonus -- one of the few ways the monarch can be dethroned is if s/he marries a Catholic.

PS:  Learn from your leaders and do what American patriots tell you to do.  Like John Howard.  And Rudd can&#039;t wait to send more folks to the Afghanistan.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donkeytalk &#8212; Don&#8217;t be making fun of Americans.  I just have six words for you:</p>
<p>Pauline Hanson</p>
<p>Pauline Hanson</p>
<p>Pauline Hanson</p>
<p>Need I remind you that your monarch (who lives on a far-away island) is the head of her own Church.  Bonus &#8212; one of the few ways the monarch can be dethroned is if s/he marries a Catholic.</p>
<p>PS:  Learn from your leaders and do what American patriots tell you to do.  Like John Howard.  And Rudd can&#8217;t wait to send more folks to the Afghanistan.</p>
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		<title>By: donkeytalk</title>
		<link>http://betterbibles.com/2009/06/04/i-pledge-allegiance/#comment-14112</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 13:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sad to say that, as an Australian, I live in a country that was only claimed in 1770, settled from 1788 and declared a nation in 1901. With such a paucity of history - not to mention a complete lack of home-grown wars - we may never earn the right to our own Fair Dinkum Bible for Patriotic Aussies.
That may not be a bad thing. It would probably use the CEV as a base text, smell of stale beer, appear to be possessed of a couple of coffee-rings and be printed on roll-yer-own cigarette paper. No Australian would buy such an obvious piece of kitch, although a fortune might be made flogging them off to tourists.
Moral: you came from Puritan stock, we came from convicts.

Incidentally, who on Earth IS Thomas Nelson&#039;s target audience?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sad to say that, as an Australian, I live in a country that was only claimed in 1770, settled from 1788 and declared a nation in 1901. With such a paucity of history &#8211; not to mention a complete lack of home-grown wars &#8211; we may never earn the right to our own Fair Dinkum Bible for Patriotic Aussies.<br />
That may not be a bad thing. It would probably use the CEV as a base text, smell of stale beer, appear to be possessed of a couple of coffee-rings and be printed on roll-yer-own cigarette paper. No Australian would buy such an obvious piece of kitch, although a fortune might be made flogging them off to tourists.<br />
Moral: you came from Puritan stock, we came from convicts.</p>
<p>Incidentally, who on Earth IS Thomas Nelson&#8217;s target audience?</p>
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		<title>By: Eeeek: The American Patriot&#8217;s Bible &#171; live from thessalonica</title>
		<link>http://betterbibles.com/2009/06/04/i-pledge-allegiance/#comment-14108</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eeeek: The American Patriot&#8217;s Bible &#171; live from thessalonica]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 23:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dru</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 12:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a native English speaker who is not a US citizen (yes, Christian Soldier, we do exists; there are over 100M of us, our fathers were on the beaches on 6th June 1944 as well and right through from 3rd September 1939 rather than December 1941), I find this version of the Bible and the youtubes selling it very disturbing. Obviously, I am patriotic to a quite different drum. But, it is very reassuring to read most of the comments here, on Eugene Cho&#039;s website and elsewhere, and to find that there are a lot of people who both are patriotic Americans and clearly find this disturbing for similar reasons to mine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a native English speaker who is not a US citizen (yes, Christian Soldier, we do exists; there are over 100M of us, our fathers were on the beaches on 6th June 1944 as well and right through from 3rd September 1939 rather than December 1941), I find this version of the Bible and the youtubes selling it very disturbing. Obviously, I am patriotic to a quite different drum. But, it is very reassuring to read most of the comments here, on Eugene Cho&#8217;s website and elsewhere, and to find that there are a lot of people who both are patriotic Americans and clearly find this disturbing for similar reasons to mine.</p>
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